Bertuzzi pleads not guilty

[Mickey Martini]

www.canada.com/sports/hockey/story.html?id=4AB326F1-3904-4F8B-8B3D-8C806E285C20

Obviously he wants to avoid a lawsuit if at all possible. And I'm thinking his defense will point out how violent hockey can be, and the aftermath is what caused most of Moore's injuries, not the actual incident itself

[CG]

I think you will find that the wording of the charges and the content of the charges may have been what prompted the Not Guilty plea. The issue of intent will also be fought in court which may also be the reason the plea was Not Guilty.The onus is on the prosecution to prove that the injuries sustained by Moore were a direct result of the punch (ie: vertebrae damage) and the defense will have to prove that the injuries were incurred by the dog pile after Moore was on the ice. The legal definition of certain things and the public (for lack of a better word!) definition of certain things vary greatly and until we know what those legal definitions are, we should reserve judgement on the Not Guilty plea submitted in court today.

[FreakyMe]

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but isn't he being charged with assault with intent to injure?

[uofrhockeyman]

BRTUZI IS A CH3AP SHOT PEICA OF CRAP

[Mickey Martini]

brooks55iginla12 said:

BRTUZI IS A CH3AP SHOT PEICA OF CRAP

Can we have that in English now brooks

[uofrhockeyman]

lol, its that AOl translater site, i said Bertuzzi is a cheap shot piece of crap....i think someone created a monster when they posted that on the Flames board

[FreakyMe]

FreakyMe said:

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but isn't he being charged with assault with intent to injure?

Anyone?

[Atl]

FreakyMe said:

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but isn't he being charged with assault with intent to injure?

The charge is "Assault Causing Bodily Harm".

This should be easy. There were so many camera angles, they'll notice that Moore was injured, not to mention that he was unconscious, as a direct result of Bertuzzi's cheap-shot and subsequent tackling to the ice.

Bertuzzi will only avoid charges if his celebrity status leads to a plea bargain to a lesser charge.

[CG]

Atl said:

The charge is "Assault Causing Bodily Harm".

This should be easy. There were so many camera angles, they'll notice that Moore was injured, not to mention that he was unconscious, as a direct result of Bertuzzi's cheap-shot and subsequent tackling to the ice.
Bertuzzi will only avoid charges if his celebrity status leads to a plea bargain to a lesser charge.

Now you see, that's where we differ, Atl - I see Moore falling forward as dead weight, unconcious from the punch, while Bertuzzi behind him has no recourse but to fall forward landing on top of Moore. I wouldn't call that 'tackling' him to the ice. The word 'tackle' is defined as:

1) seize and throw down an opponent player

2) grasping an opposing player with the intention of
stopping by throwing to the ground

and implies intent. Both men were falling so I fail to see how that qualifies as a 'tackle'. You must realize that the forward momenum of both men resulted in both players falling to the ice!

[Atl]

As I recall, Bertuzzi grabbed Moore, pulling Moore towards him to punch him, then, while still having a grip of Moore's jersey, putting him on the ice with Bertuzzi riding him down.

Looks like a pretty good tackle to me, sans the sucker punch, and I played football in high school. But this wasn't the football field.

[CG]

The key word is falling to the ice!! I could drag up all the stepping on the stick, losing balance etc. arguments but the fact is forward momentum is what resulted in both men falling to the ice before the dog pile of players landed on top of them!

Bertuzzi had hold of Moore's jersey to turn him for the punch, he did not lunge at him to tackle him and certainly did not lunge at him with the intent to tackle him to the ice!

[Atl]

CG said:

The key word is falling to the ice!! I could drag up all the stepping on the stick, losing balance etc. arguments but the fact is forward momentum is what resulted in both men falling to the ice before the dog pile of players landed on top of them!

Bertuzzi had hold of Moore's jersey to turn him for the punch, he did not lunge at him to tackle him and certainly did not lunge at him with the intent to tackle him to the ice!

You're making an arguement if the charge was dealing with "intent to injure". Only Bertuzzi knows of his intentions.

The charge is "Assault with Bodily Harm". Moore, skating with his back facing Bertuzzi, was grabbed by Bertuzzi, punched in the head, knocking him unconscious, and Bertuzzi landed on Moore as both were falling on the ice. How can you possibly be not guilty of "Assault with Bodily Harm" if you did what bertuzzi did? Was Moore just going to collapse and break neckbones without Bertuzzi's actions? Was the ensuing melee going to occur if none of this happened?

[Mickey Martini]

CG, I've heard such disgusting exaggerations from the media like: Bert "piledrove" Moore to the ice. Last time I checked, a piledriver was sticking someones head between your legs and ramming them head first in order to try to render you opponent unconcious. Certainly something that couldn't happen in the heat of the moment. Wether I am a Bertuzzi fan or not, I'll always say he did not mean to hurt Moore as he did. That being said, he is responsible for the whole aftermath. The thing that angers me the most is the sensatalism most media have spun on the whole incident. If they stuck to the truth of the situation we would'nt have to constantly defend Bertuzzi against the gross exaggarations we hear

[Atl]

Mickey said:

Wether I am a Bertuzzi fan or not, I'll always say he did not mean to hurt Moore as he did.

That's another thing. He didn't mean to hurt him? How is winding up and punching a guy that isn't looking not meaning to hurt him?

[Mickey Martini]

Edit.......Sorry I meant to put hurt him as bad as he did. I don't think he wanted to fuck up his neck. But he defintely wanted Moore to feel that punch