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Post by cka on Dec 5, 2004 8:24:57 GMT -5
www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?ID=107003Apparently they've increased the proposed luxury tax from 20 cents on the dollar for every dollar past 40 million to 75 cents. I don't see this as leveling the playing field at all. As far as smaller markets go, most of them are working with that much money anyway. But with the richer teams, i.e. your New York Rangers and Toronto Maple Laffs, they're still going to go over. Hard cap or bust, otherwise there would be too many loopholes allowing for Joe Thornton-like contracts to be signed.
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Post by elfonzo on Dec 5, 2004 13:48:36 GMT -5
I would like a hard cap at $40 million.
BUT. If this will save the season, the owners could counter offer with a proposal having teams pay $1.25 for every dollar over $35 million, and the players taking a 20% paycut. If they did try this, I'd say only sign the CBA for 2-3 years to see how it works.
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Post by elfonzo on Dec 5, 2004 13:55:48 GMT -5
Does anybody know where I could find the payrolls of all 30 teams?
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Post by cka on Dec 5, 2004 13:58:14 GMT -5
I would like a hard cap at $40 million. BUT. If this will save the season, the owners could counter offer with a proposal having teams pay $1.25 for every dollar over $35 million, and the players taking a 20% paycut. If they did try this, I'd say only sign the CBA for 2-3 years to see how it works. I wish they'd take the lowest team payroll and negotiate from there.
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Post by mcm on Dec 5, 2004 15:37:10 GMT -5
I wish they'd take the lowest team payroll and negotiate from there. I think that that's 13 million from the Penguins. Hardly fair for the players at all.
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Post by cka on Dec 5, 2004 15:42:16 GMT -5
I think that that's 13 million from the Penguins. Hardly fair for the players at all. I'm talking about a full squad.
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Post by mcm on Dec 5, 2004 16:05:33 GMT -5
Here's how a salary cap could work, and this would make the players interested.
Hard cap at 35 million, minimum cap at 31 million.
Minimum salary for a player 500K.
Team gets penalized for every penny over 35 million and as a result go to balance out the contracts of the lower paid players in the league.
MEANING: If Detroit has a payroll of 37 million, 2 million bucks get divided into all the contracts of players only making 500K.
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Post by elfonzo on Dec 6, 2004 22:16:35 GMT -5
My CBA: - 20% salary rollback - Luxury Tax kicking in at $35, at $1.25/$1 over - Tax fund distributed to teams with payrolls between 25-35 million
Team Current Payroll - 20% Reduction - Amount owed for over the tax
Anaheim 54.4 - 43.52 - +10.65 Atlanta 27.2 - 21.76 Boston 45.8 - 36.64 - +2.05 Buffalo 33.0 - 26.4 Calgary 35.2 - 28.16 Carolina 37.8 - 30.24 Chicago 31.6 - 25.28 Colorado 60.9 - 48.8 - +17.25 Columbus 32.1 - 25.7 Dallas 67.6 - 54.1 - +23.88 Detroit 77.8 - 62.24 - +34.05 Edmonton 30.8 - 24.64 Florida 26.4 - 21.12 Los Angeles 46.1 - 36.9 - +2.38 Minnesota 26.8 - 21.44 Montreal 42.7 - 34.16 Nashville 23.2 - 18.56 New Jersey 48.1 - 38.48 - +4.35 NY Islanders 43.8 - 35 NY Rangers 77.0 - 61.6 - +33.25 Ottawa 39.6 - 31.7 Philadelphia 65.1 - 52.1 - +21.38 Phoenix 37.8 - 30.24 Pittsburgh 26.6 - 21.3 San Jose 34.8 - 27.84 St.Louis 61.2 - 48.96 - +17.45 Tampa Bay 33.5 - 26.8 Toronto 61.8 - 49.45 - +18.06 Vancouver 38.7 - 30.96 Washington 51.1 - 40.9 - +7.38
Total Tax Bank = 192.13 million Teams within payroll limits = 12
= 16 million/team with a payroll between 25 and 35 million
Now as you can see, this is quite a sum of money being dished out to the 12 teams. My guess is that the guys just over the 35 mark would reduce payroll to get in on some cash, while the guys just under 25 would increase payroll to get in on the cash. This would balance out the talent levels among the league (lower spending teams would begin spending, higher spenders tighten their wallets).
This is the CBA that will save our season. But will Bettman go threw with it?
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Post by cka on Dec 6, 2004 22:22:16 GMT -5
I like it Fonzie, but there's no way the PA will go for it. They say they've made huge "concessions" to get to 40 million.
If we're lucky the cap will be around 38 or so.
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Post by elfonzo on Dec 7, 2004 12:14:40 GMT -5
The PA always believes they've made "huge concessions". If Bettman crossed over from cap to tax, then offered this in saying "this is our last proposal of the season, if you reject it their will not be enough time to make a new one", the players would definately except.
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Post by cka on Dec 7, 2004 17:29:59 GMT -5
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Post by DrBump on Dec 7, 2004 17:42:07 GMT -5
I think Shane Doan is being kind of stupid here. He's basically downplaying Gary Bettman before the talks even begin. I can understand downplaying him if Bettman decided to completely throw out the proposal, but until then he should take his millions of dollars and shut the fuck up. He's not helping anyone, however, Bettman did say he's willing to be the whipping boy...
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Post by cka on Dec 7, 2004 17:46:36 GMT -5
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Post by DrBump on Dec 7, 2004 17:52:06 GMT -5
"Yet make no mistake about it; the P.A. has made a smart move. This will be an offer that will be easy for the owners to turn down, but a lot harder for them to explain why it can't at least be the start of some serious negotiations. It's an offer that shows they're trying. While the owners may argue that it doesn't address the real problems with the C.B.A, fans who are starting to miss hockey will begin to shift allegiances."
I found this the most intriguing part of the article. I think the negotiations will NOT bring back NHL hockey this season, but instead, the players are in search of gaining fan support. Something that the Owners have in their favour right now.
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Post by cka on Dec 7, 2004 17:56:12 GMT -5
I found the article very entertaining. I enjoyed the part about Sean Avery having to take back the ring he got Rachel Hunter, and the part about Sergei Federov having to take back Tara Reid's "enhancements".
I love Jay Onhrait.
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